Pic­ture from here

It seems through some of my affil­i­a­tion that I am attached to that peo­ple feel the need to for­ward me chain let­ters.   Even if it was some­thing I believed in, I wouldn’t want a chain let­ter.  I would pre­fer to read your own thoughts.  It seems some­one sends me mails with a reli­gious bent to them.   Some of them rail against the sep­a­ra­tion of church and state, some­thing that even as a chris­t­ian I hold very dear (for some rea­son most Chris­tians don’t want it sep­a­rated since they naively believe for all eter­nity they will be the dom­i­nant reli­gion).   I’m more prag­matic.  I don’t think the dog­matic moral laws of each dif­fer­ent lit­tle chris­t­ian sect should be rep­re­sented.   I’ve had my imme­di­ate say.  Let’s look at the first chain let­ter in this new series.

Pic­ture from here

A 15 yr. Old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA:

New Pledge of Alle­giance (TOTALLY AWESOME) !

Since the Pledge of Alle­giance
And
The Lord’s Prayer
Are not allowed in most
Pub­lic schools any­more
Because the word ‘God’ is men­tioned.…
A kid in Ari­zona
Wrote the attached

NEW School prayer :

Now I sit me down in school
Where pray­ing is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds men­tion of Him very odd.

If Scrip­ture now the class recites,
It vio­lates the Bill of Rights.
And any­time my head I bow
Becomes a Fed­eral mat­ter now.

Our hair can be pur­ple, orange or green,
That’s no offense; it’s a free­dom scene.
The law is spe­cific, the law is pre­cise.
Prayers spo­ken aloud are a seri­ous vice.

For pray­ing in a pub­lic hall
Might offend some­one with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must med­i­tate,
God’s name is pro­hib­ited by the state.

We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks..
They’ve out­lawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a preg­nant Senior Queen,
And the ‘unwed daddy,’ our Senior King.
It’s ‘inap­pro­pri­ate’ to teach right from wrong,
We’re taught that such ‘judg­ments’ do not belong.

We can get our con­doms and birth con­trols,
Study witch­craft, vam­pires and totem poles.
But the Ten Com­mand­ments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It’s scary here I must con­fess,
When chaos reigns the school’s a mess..
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

If you aren’t ashamed to do this,
Please pass this on.
Jesus said,
’If you are ashamed of me,
I will be ashamed of you before my Father.’

Not ashamed. Pass this on..

Let’s go through this sec­tion by section:

Now I sit me down in school
Where pray­ing is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds men­tion of Him very odd.

Well iron­i­cally we still have in god we trust on our money, what peo­ple don’t real­ize is that “God” on your money has been found legally to be an abstrac­tion and doesn’t nec­es­sar­ily refer to a Chris­t­ian Diety.   Reli­gious free­dom was one of hte pur­poses of this coun­try.  Once you start choos­ing an offi­cially sanc­tioned goven­er­ment reli­gion, or teach the tenets of said reli­gion you under­mine the pur­pose that we were taught in school on why the first set­tlers came here.  (Yes I know that story is not quite as sim­plis­tic or accu­rate as we were taught).

If Scrip­ture now the class recites,
It vio­lates the Bill of Rights.
And any­time my head I bow
Becomes a Fed­eral mat­ter now.

Iron­i­cally I don’t think we have thought police any­where — like every­thing else it’s a don’t ask don’t tell world any­more.  If your flaunt­ing any­thing that’s against school rules how­ever you will be pun­ished.   There have been exteremly few fed­eral cases over this so I’m not quite sure it would really be a fed­eral matter.

Our hair can be pur­ple, orange or green,
That’s no offense; it’s a free­dom scene.
The law is spe­cific, the law is pre­cise.
Prayers spo­ken aloud are a seri­ous vice.

What’s wrong with dif­fer­ent col­ored hairs at all?  Mine has been nat­ural.  Mine has been jet black.  Mine has been pur­ple.  Mine has been blue.  There is noth­ing wrong with this.  My sis­ter how­ever almost got expelled from school because she dyed her hair bright red (not nat­ural red).   I almost went and fought this at the school board, but she backed down (I’m sure with my mother’s coach­ing of not want­ing to look bad to the neigh­bors).   We’ve lost the free­dom of per­sonal expres­sion in schools and it’s not just prayers.  Besides if you really need to pray out loud I find you creepy.  Your like the guy at the video game store who picks up every title and reads the descrip­tion out loud since they seem to lack any inner monologue.

For pray­ing in a pub­lic hall
Might offend some­one with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must med­i­tate,
God’s name is pro­hib­ited by the state.

Um, yes please be silent.  I pray, but I find you audi­ble prayers creepy.  “Dear God please make my gen­i­tal warts go away” — come on that would just be extremely creepy.   That’s the kind of thing I know some peo­ple pray for.  We want to pre­tend that they are all pray­ing that the sick get bet­ter or the orphan­age finds a sav­ior donor so it can stay open.  It isn’t.

We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks..
They’ve out­lawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

I’m fairly sure that guns were out­lawed in most schools before the bible.  Granted I know some rural schools were teh kids could check in their gun when they arrive because they were hunt­ing before school.   Do we really have to point out on how many lev­els that is wrong.   We’ll stick with just the hygiene issues.

We can elect a preg­nant Senior Queen,
And the ‘unwed daddy,’ our Senior King.
It’s ‘inap­pro­pri­ate’ to teach right from wrong,
We’re taught that such ‘judg­ments’ do not belong.

I don’t see any­thing wrong with this — I have great grand­par­ents that were prob­a­bly mar­ried younger then some­one who is the prom king or queen.   You can always judge some­one, but when you have a holier then thou atti­tude it just doesn’t fly.

We can get our con­doms and birth con­trols,
Study witch­craft, vam­pires and totem poles.
But the Ten Com­mand­ments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

Hmmmm, you com­plain about preg­nant senior queens and unwed fathers, but rail against birth con­trol — I won’t point out the irony.

It’s scary here I must con­fess,
When chaos reigns the school’s a mess..
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

I’ve gone to a pri­vate school and I’ve gone to a pub­lic school — let me tell you the Chris­t­ian schools still have the same issues with the ten com­mand­ments as part of the cur­ricu­lum as pub­lic schools have without.

I’m not alone — some­one else railed against this with their own poem — read it here.

  • matman747
    Creeva,

    You are a small minded, short sighted idiot. I mean that in the nicest way possible. If prayer offends you, don't listen, and further more if it offends you...maybe the rest of the constitution that outlines our other freedoms offends you as well. If we begin to hack away at them (our freedoms in which the country was based on) one at a time, where does it stop? They will eventually attack and eliminate a freedom that does affect or offend you.
    Also, I've read through all of your comments on this rendition of the Pledge of Allegiance, and I think that you've missed many points that this young person is putting out there. When referring to "God" on our currency, it is not singling out any specific deity by definition. All religions referenced leader Christ, Buddha, and so forth are all considered their "God". And her reference to the birth control was simply stating that the irony was in fact that schools will provide a means for minors to have safe sex (and I'm OK with that, even though I don't condone children having sex - I'd rather they be safe in doing what they will do) but will not allow those same minors their religious freedoms.
    You need to learn to interpret things a little better or maybe read between the lines so that you can understand their true meanings. It scares the hell out of me to think that some simpleton such as yourself might possibly be a registered voter.
  • I'm the idiot? You agreed with me.

    The first point you called me out on is -

    "When referring to "God" on our currency, it is not singling out any specific deity by definition. All religions referenced leader Christ, Buddha, and so forth are all considered their "God""

    My answer on this point was this -

    "what peo­ple don’t real­ize is that “God” on your money has been found legally to be an abstrac­tion and doesn’t nec­es­sar­ily refer to a Chris­t­ian Diety. "

    Now after that we differ a bit - if you want to argue the rights we have actually lost, some thanks the US PATRIOT act I'm all for it and rally behind it. Yes I'm offended that she thinks christian deserve a "special" right - after the founding fathers explicitly stated there would be a separation of church and state. Politically I'm a constitutionalist, but I also consider myself a christian - though to be honest as time goes by I'm becoming more agnostic.

    You think I am a simpleton (granted I have a policy of not reediting what I have written, but the misspellings of the word "the" that came up so often makes me shrink back a little myself), yet in you own statement you referred to Buddha as a consideration of God to Buddhists. First of all buddhism is closer to philisophy then religion, and he considered himself just a teacher and would be greatly offended by anyone considering him a god (I get this from my knowledge since I obviously don't have a first hand account.)

    I don't see her calling out for religious equality - where are her pleas for prayer rugs in school so Muslims can pray to mecca?

    Where is her railing against school uniforms that are becoming more and more common and are made without consideration of religious views. That point came up because of the town I used to live in was considering implementing school uniforms and someone pointed out what about the Amish. While there was none in the town I used to live in, there are where I live now, so this hit home. It's not that far to the town where uniforms are being considered, so it's not out of the realm of possibility they may one day pick up some Amish students. What about their rights?

    The right to openly pray? Really? That is your hot button topic? I don't know of any schools that would disallow her to where a cross or rosary if others can wear necklaces. If you are going to fight the stance for prayer and schools and equality for religious practices in state run institutions - then fight for the prayer mats also.

    Until you are ready to do that, you can't say you are fighting for equality on an equal playing field with the other religions - which is what this whole thing boils down to. You have to accept all of it or none of it. Separation of church and state is not really about disallowing religion in state run buildings, but it's about not showing favoritism for one religion over the other. Once the rights and practices of all religions are respected and can accommodated in state run institutions I'll be right behind you to allow this girl to pray. Until that state of acceptance and accommodations can be achieved, she just wants special privileges that the other students are already denied. She is complaining about her "right" to pray - but the things she is complaining about have nothing to do with that on an equal playing field - how they dress does not equal their religious practices.


    But you must have known and thought all about that, after all I'm the simpleton in this conversation.
  • matman747
    Once again, you fail to read between the lines. I was not, nor did my
    post to you indicate, that I was rallying behind any one specific religion.
    You are assuming entirely to much based on your own personal or hurt
    feelings.

    I simply agreed with the author of the poem simply for her right to
    prayer regardless of religion, color, creed, location (church or state).
    These are part of any US citizens "inalienable rights". Their are more
    religions practiced by US citizens than I care to type about currently...
    and I believe that they all have the right to prayer regardless of one's
    geographic location. I also believe when 'state' decides for us when &
    where 'church' starts and stops is a load of bologna!

    She wasn't singling out Christianity as a way to ignore other culture's
    religious rights, she is simply a Christian speaking up for her own
    religious rights - you know that whole freedom of speech thing that you as a
    self proclaimed 'constitutionalist' should more than understand! I mean
    come on, if she had been a Muslim, she would have a clever poem protesting
    her right to bow down before Allah and read the Curran at her locker between
    classes... All I'm saying is we all have the right to our religious beliefs
    and practices wherever we are - regardless of what the "new" government
    thinks, and regardless of what you think... don't turn this into something
    that it's not.
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    Dec 11, 2008

    capri said...
    Yes, amen! As a Christian, I find these chain letters extremely offensive. Great post, thanks!
  • reply on posterous - http://creeva.posterous.com/chain-mail-i-receiv...

    Dec 12, 2008

    creeva said...
    thank you very much
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